Ek Mutthi Aasman 30th May 2014 Written Update

Kris

May 31, 22:34 Reply

Good night everyone, just read some wonderful points by Suni and Paige of course,
Paige listen to Phoenix she knows these writers well,
We all have been crying out for a good love story that will not ache our hearts like the others, we thought, “oh good this one seems like the one” but alas, we have been disappointed once again 🙁
They always ripping apart lovers and we bashing the writers forever and ever.

Anyone remember seeing that Cinderella movie Ever After with, Drew Barrymore,
Well it’s like Raghav and Kalpi somewhat, the common girl and prince charming, they had they down moment but in the end got together.

Why can’t the writers give us an awesome love story like this, don’t add the third wheel, well if there’s a third wheel at least it should not be married to one of the other.
And the story continue from there
Seems all Indian know about is love triangles, deception, revenge regardless of the consequences. It seems like that’s how their own lives are,

devya
May 31, 23:07

Kris,good night dear,I mentioned ABOUT the Cinderella LOVE story once,
THESE writers probably writing their life story to US. I think that’s the way their real life is going n they r pouring out some of their hurts,sentiments n emotions in the form of these stories until now we r not seeing a smooth LOVE story..ALL r disastrous.sorry to say this.
But what we r hoping FOR we never get. I THINK if raghav had married to kalpi in the first place it should have been a big down fall for neetu….But he didn’t n the whole storyline gone in shambles.
Paige S
May 31, 23:11

See how I am? I hurried to complete something just to come back online to read! lol…
I know Phoenix means well and yes she does know alot about these Indian writers. Like you Kris, I too long to see a good love story that isn’t desecrated with all this triangle and whatever. Oh well…maybe I should just start my own production house 🙂 and bring Ashish in my production 😀 😉
devya
May 31, 23:29

PAIGE,my dear u r VERY knowledgeable n HAVE great insights n vision if u HAVE your own production house..you’ll have lot of support n yes n GET RAGHAV and KT lol. U WILL surpass all the ema n ekta DRAMA..Lol u WILL do great.
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
June 01, 00:03

Kris knows that I used to be just like you Paige 🙂 . .
Thank you for your kind words and I really respect your analyses , great insights and depth of knowledge . It’s always refreshing to be able to engage in open minded discussions and thank you for giving me the opportunity to do that with you .
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
June 01, 00:05

I support you in opening your on PH Paige 🙂 .
It would be a great change to have writers who love their characters .

℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ

May 31, 20:26 Reply

Paige , I’d like to share a song with you please. .
It’s one of my absolute favourites .
If you can , please listen as I think you might like it also .
The movie that it came from was a beautiful movie as well .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lysszBfP1pQ

Paige S
May 31, 21:54

Thank you. Am looking at it now. I sent my reply to your question below. 🙂

I will be online tomorrow. There are a few things I have to go and complete. Good night Phoenix and all the others. See you tomorrow. Sleep well! 😀
Paige S
May 31, 22:49

Oh Phoenix…what a lovely, lovely song. That was so beautiful! The meaning is really lovely. It really touched my heart. (so downloaded it 😀

I like this line particularly:
Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi Haay
God has joined this couple together

Beautiful….thank you for sharing the song. I love it! 🙂
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
June 01, 00:10

I know that you were thinking of Raghav singing this right 😀 ??
I’m glad that you liked it , the Indian serial writers might annoy me but the song writers , singers and musicians are world class in my opinion . Some songs tell their own story . Indian music is the most romantic music .

I’ll share another powerful one with you for when you have the time to listen .

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LcRpuB9qBjw
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
June 01, 00:39

Paige , I can’t resist sharing just one more 🙂

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_wnYDdLNYxk

Paige S

May 31, 20:10 Reply

Hi Phoenix, Kris, Mahiv, Nirvana, Pani and others…I so badly want to see Raghav’s and Kalpi’s love story reaches it”happily ever after”. These obstacles are getting to me. Do you guys remember that American show “For love or money?” Well, I know that was a stupid show and all, but I was looking at it, and gees…I lost 2 weeks of sleep being in distress after that girl chose the money over this guy. And this guy was so amazing, so wonderful a guy. He was crushed. It’s like this guy was so set up to think he would get this girl and she dumped him for the money. Oh boy, I was so upset over this!

I have gotten too attached to the characters of Raghav and Kalpi. They are like your typical fairytale story characters: Prince Charming and a common girl. And I so want it to work out. I tell you ‘m so hooked on these two that I am so not going for another serial again after EMA. These stories are so sad.

As part of catching up on episodes of EMA that I missed, I ended up crying upon seeing some scenes. OMG…tears rolled down my cheeks when I saw Kalpi working as a waitress. And when she saw the Kapoors at the table she had to served, the poor girl was so humiliated and swallowed her shame and said “good afternoon ma’am” and served them. That was so sad. WHen I saw that girl’s shame for what she had to do and when she said “good afternoon ma’am”, at that point my tears just came. If you look at it you will see what I mean.

So when Raghav came on the scene and didn’t at first noticed her, but then he did, and when he fell so, so much in love with her, I was so happy. I was smiling. I mean Prince Charming came and was smitten by her. The Cinderella. And when he started doing all these things to show her he loved her so, I was so happy. And when he pursued her so relentlessly, I loved it even more. Wow…she got her Prince Charming. The powerful and wealthy Raghav Singhanian noticed her and loved so above all other girls he has seen. That was so amazing! That was victory for Kalpi. And now….these writers just messed up my happiness in seeing these two people happy. They broke my heart!

And this is why I want Raghav to wed her and take her away to his palace and give her every happiness in the world. He is THE ONE for her and she is THE ONE for him. ohhhhhh….I want this to happen so badly.

Paige S
May 31, 20:16

And when Raghav heard from Kamla that Kalpi was working as a waitress (after the alleged failing the exam) he cringed. He hands formed a grip by his sides. He felt it for Kalpi. They showed you his reaction to what he had heard. (although Kamla didn’t see it)

Love..I tell you…it gets deep into the soul. It hurts us when the one we love (whether we know it or not) is hurting. These two were just meant for each other. Raghav loves her.
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 20:36

Paige dear , I know that you might find some of my replies a bit harsh , but I really don’t want you getting too stressed over Zee TV characters , because these writers have no mercy on us most times . While you’re in love with these characters , the creative team does only what it thinks will keep the show alive and keep the audience interested . They do not share our love for these characters . It takes a very , very long time for us to see what we want to see and sometimes we never even do .
Paige S
May 31, 21:58

Phoenix, you are a dear and a lovely person. Really. I love your sharp mind and I love the different take you bring to various issues. I admire you for that and I like it. I always enjoy a stimulating conversation. I really respect your views.

I know…these serials can stress one out. Hence my decision not to look at another one after EMA. 🙂

You are a real dear and I really respect you and your views. 🙂
Paige S
May 31, 22:16

I am just so all out for a happily ever after for Raghav and Kalpi. I just love the whole love story and how it came to be. An ordinary, simple girl penetrated the armour of a business tycoon (who purposefully wore that armour to keep people out) and got straight to his heart. And she wasn’t even trying to do that. And then there were those who tried to get through the armour through cheap means and didn’t.
Never in my life has there been a love story that I want complete as much as this one! 🙂
devya
May 31, 22:56

PAIGE,it may happen my dear. U r so much into raghav n kalpi..I gAther because he is THIS rich guy n kalpi the simple girl that sweeps his feet off the ground lol..it’s a nice love story between the two of them.
Raghav will be criticized for a lot of THINGS but he should ignore n do what his HEART tells…
Paige S
May 31, 23:12

I hope he does.
devya
May 31, 23:22

Let HOPE gouri or kamla don’t blackmail him.

℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ

May 31, 19:56 Reply

Paige , I’ll ask a question .
Aren’t we expecting Kalpi to become very Kamla-like in her approach to Raghav ?
I mean Raghav is acting her to overlook his marriage to Pakhi , trust him still despite his previous betrayal and also to wait a year for him .
That seems like conditions that only Kamla could accept .

℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 20:07

~~acting~~ replace with asking
Paige S
May 31, 21:51

I see where you are coming from. Kamla does not think things out thoroughly. Although she does not weigh the pros and cons of her actions, Kamla (if asked to defend her actions, decisions and choices) would say what her intentions were that made her do what she did. We would see a woman who just likes to help regardless of what others did to her and her family. It is her nature to help. Her contradiction in not extending the same help to Raghav, quite honestly is difficult to explain. I wondered why the contradiction in dealing with him. With respect to the Kapoors, she willingly overlooked their crimes but couldn’t overlook Raghav’s blunder. Despite what the Kapoors did, she sympathised with their plight, showed understanding and helped them. She overlooked their criminal past.

In paraphrasing your questions then it would be: Is Kalpi being the same way to Raghav as Kamla is to the Kapoors? That despite what you (Raghav) did to me (the betrayal), I must overlook all of this and show sympathy? First of all Phoenix, excellent observation! 🙂

My answer is this: while superficially there seems to be similarities in what both characters are doing (well, one character already undertook the action and the other is about to undertake the same), there are fundamental differences. The intention and inner disposition of the individuals make that difference. In Kamla’s case, her acceptance of the Kapoors without regard to what they have done can be classified as wrong. She is, in effect, encouraging the criminals by such action. Kamla’s overlooking is considered improper because the persons in her case shows no remorse or repentance for their past actions. They are, even now, plotting to kill, to steal and to destroy. So her overlooking is actually encouraging them to continue to do what they had done in the past.

Raghav’s request for Kalpi to overlook his past actions is rooted differently. The difference is he wants to take action to correct his past mistake with respect to her. The trouble is he is not afforded the time to take those corrective actions as he would like. He is WILLING to correct this past mistakes and WOULD LIKE TO DO IT NOW, but is encountering great challenges and obstacles. He needs a little more time to correct his past mistakes. It would be easier for him to correct those mistakes if she would only give him the time, and do not hold the past against him. By overlooking it, it helps him to be stronger, to be more confident and at ease when he is taking his corrective measures within a certain time frame. It relieves him of an additional burden, and thus help him to complete his purpose quickly. Knowing that someone supports you and is not condemning you already solved half of the problem. So with such an intention and inner disposition, it would be kind and humane to overlook for the sake of allowing someone to remedy his past mistakes. Since overlooking yields more fruit in the area of redemption for the fallen man, it would be a good thing.

Not so with the Kapoors. They are not interested in correcting their past. They only want to do more evil. So overlooking in this case – as Kamla is doing – is to feed that evilness in them to continue to repeat the mistakes/crimes of their past.
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
June 01, 20:37

By accepting Raghav , Kalpi becomes complicit . He’s being no different from the Kapoor’s . He’s also plotting to destroy lives . Man has his job to do and so does God . It is not up to us to seek to destroy another person because we want to see justice . Raghav never turned them over to the law . He has become God , judge and jury . So , tell me what will he do when his judgement day comes ?
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
June 01, 20:40

In a way he has become a radical , for every religion fundamentally teaches peace and forgiveness .

Paige S

May 31, 18:28 Reply

ON KAMLA:

Truth be told: after watching previous episodes of EMA (that I missed) I have to admit, I don’t find Kamla to be a bad character, but rather I find her to be a navie, sometimes foolish character. She has a good heart but I don’t think she has the much-needed wisdom and discernment that goes with a good heart. Her thinking is ‘child-like’ in that she is unable (many a times) to decipher between good and evil. Because of this and her naviety and her being uneducated, she is easy to fool, unable to see beyond smiles (not knowing that monsters are behind those smiles), and trust easily. The way she is perhaps explains why she is so full of contradictions. She being “child-like” in nature does not fully understand herself, what she does and how she lives with double standards.

The only thing is I CANNOT explain that relationship she has with Paaki. I think that is bizzare and I don’t like it. It is her relations to Paaki over Kalpi that makes me hate her strongly. But aside from that, honestly, she isn’t a bad human being. She just needs to change her ways.

I have to tell you last night I looked at the episodes where she saw Kalpi working as a waitress and then went to Raghav to beg him to employ her. I CRIED. I really did. I saw her heart come out there, and I understood what she was trying to do. It touched my heart and so I began to rethink this character. 🙂

(But I still hold on that now she meddles too much in Kalpi’s life given that the girl is an adult and needs to make her own choices and decisions. And I hold on that I don’t like her for favoring Paaki over her own daughter and for treating Kalpi unfairly)

Kris
May 31, 18:32

You see Paige, Kamla is a good soul, she is God fearing, and sees the God and good in everyone. She is not easily influenced by others, but does what her heart says.
But why can’t she do the same for Raghav????
Look at what she did for the Kapoors, the writers are making her character so contradictory, sometimes it is so hard to understand her stance
Paige S
May 31, 18:48

I know. And that is what I too am wondering and find her bizzare in this regard. But sometimes I think to myself: Kamla KNOWS that Raghav loves Kalpi deeply. He WILL make her happy. But she wants Paaki to get that instead of Kalpi. Hence I cannot understand her.
And then sometimes, I think that her being ignorant, she cannot see her contradictions. I mean, I ask myself: what makes me easily forget John’s mistakes (which is greater and heinous) and not Harry’s mistakes (which is smaller)?
If Kamla says ” Pain and hurt. Raghav hurt her family and Kalpi and so he doesn’t deserve to be there and doesn’t deserve to be forgiven” then my question is: why ask Gauri and Raghav to do away with their mission for revenge when pain and hurt is causing them to do that?

Same pain and hurt. But Kamla cannot see it for others, only for herself and Paaki. She is very strange, that Kamla!
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 19:43

You can’t speak about Kamla’s hypocrisy , without looking at Raghav’s also Paige .

He wants compassion and understanding for himself , but he has none for Pakhi .

Pakhi doesn’t deserve being made to suffer for her parents mistakes .
Paige S
May 31, 23:15

Actually, he realises now what he is doing to Paaki isn’t right. He told is mother than and that he can still execute his revenge on her parents withouht hurting her. He told Gauri that he can’t hurt Kalpi and Paaki in this revenge. Gauri won’t listen.

SO it will be interesting to see how Raghav deals with this situation because he wants to free Paaki and Gauri won’t have it.

Kris

May 31, 18:23 Reply

Paige my dear, we could try and rationalise the situation between Raghav and Kalpi and say RAghav did or did not or Kali got or did not get, or Kamla/Gaurie did this, Kamla/Gaurie did not do or should not do the Kapoors caused or did not cause,
The fact remains, Raghav is in a total mess right now, he is in turmoil and quite clearly cannot handle the situation.
Maybe our over smart writers, will give Kamla the screaming and kicking job of pounding in some sort of clarity in the situation like she did before, which really opened Raghav’s eyes to what he was doing is wrong.
Maybe they have some agenda for Kamla the way she behaves etc.
Like she would make everyone see their folly and all be happy smiley goody two shoes in the end.

Kris
May 31, 18:29

Do you think this is the way the story will go???

I wish to see Raghav and Kalpi together but it should not take the entire lifespan of the show to get there.
Paige S
May 31, 18:58

lol…true what you say. I think Raghav can handle the situation if given the chance. He is a man in control. The challenge for him would be to handle his life that now encompasses love, forgiveness, and compassion for others. Before, it was easy for him to control his life because he was one way and dealt with everyone one-way. But now that his eyes have been opened to so many parts to and emotions of life, it is now for him to learn how to lead and live a life with the whole mix. It is going to take some time, hence the need for support and understanding.

I was looking at his stance on the chawl demolition. Everyone was so anxious and worried and he didn’t care. He didn’t care who ate and who didnt; who lived and who didn’t; who had a home and who didn’t. it didn’t even bothered him that his dad’s signature was faked and he could lose the land. A lot had to be done to get him to do something to help the chawl dwellers. Now, when you look at what Kalpi has done to his life, he sees love and feels compassion. He didn’t expect all of this. He was hiding himself, living in isolation, afraid to be among good people and to live, love and laugh. Now, with everything that is happening, he is getting a chance to change.
Kris
May 31, 19:01

As he said before, he was like that only because he was afraid to get close to anyone, because those who are close to him always go away from him.
Remember how he did not want to see Kamla, and spoke so rudely to Kalpi.
He knew they were there for h im, but did not want to get emotionally attached to anyone.
Paige S
May 31, 19:34

True.
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 19:39

I’ll tell you what I think about Kamla’s approach to Raghav and why it varies from her approach to the Kapoor’s .
The Kapoor’s are her bosses , servants will not go against their superior .
Raghav is a boy she helped to guide while he was growing up . She is older than him .
She always gave him respect nonetheless b4 . What Raghav did stunned her , she couldn’t comprehend it , and like any mother would do in her position , she warned him to stay away from her daughter . Let us not forget that the woman did give consent for the union of Kalpi and Raghav .
I figure that she expects any lowlife scheme from the Kapoor’s , but she didn’t expect this from Raghav . She knows the nature of the Kapoor’s , but she never knew this side of Raghav .
devya
May 31, 23:19

Kris,I think so TOO cause the storyline gone astray already. If kamla character change because of kalpi betrayal then we may see something different. Kamla reactions to kalpi n Raghav scene yesterday reflects how severely she is hurt .
she probably didn’t expect kalpi to betray her trust.knowing her to be THIS obedient child…

However I doubt Kamla character may change for SHE was always a humane,compassionate n caring person all along.

Paige S

May 31, 18:12 Reply

BRILLIANT STORY TELLING

We must be fair. Kalpi wants to be with Raghav. Only, she has doubts about whether he will marry her after the 1 year. If you ponder and assess that conversation carefully, you would see that Kalpi wants to be with Raghav. That’s good. It is not bad to want something. I played Raghav and Kalpi’s conversation over and over in my mind and recalled the body language and details given. She was disappointed when he said that his mom wants him to marry after a year. (She never said anything about divorcing Paaki as if to say divorcing her is bad). Very good Kalpi. It is about time you fight back. And it starts by being confident. She stood there when she sees him advancing towards her with the sindoor.

I am willing to give the writers a chance to tell a STORY in its entirety. I think if I go overboard and assess them too much with what I want in the development and supporting details, and what I consider to be right and wrong, I might kill the story and miss it. ( I try to picture myself telling a story and getting a grade on it when I didn’t complete telling the full story. I would want everyone to hear the entire story first). Sure there are parts I don’t like. But hey, it’s their story; they are telling it and I am willing to look and listen until it comes to an end. Sometimes, I think assessing one episode and jumping into conclusion is unfair on my part. I have to give the story-tellers a chance to tell their story.

TO THE WRITERS’ CREDIT AND I APPLAUSE THEM FOR THIS: THEY HAVE YOU GUESSING. YOU JUST DON’T KNOW WHAT IS COMING NEXT. THAT IS BRILLIANT STORY-TELLING! 😀

Even if I don’t agree with certain part, it is their story and I want to hear and see the entire story. Because from this vantage point, I was able to go back and read all the written updates of previous episodes and then I began to see the BIGGER PICTURE.
Yes, I agree that there are parts to the story I don’t like. But I won’t give a final grade or conclusion overall yet. Because the story is still being told. And if now, you should go back and read all the previous episodes to get a full understanding of the story, you will see that there is a NEED for raghav to take revenge. And I want him to take that revenge. He has to.

And in reading previous episodes, I hate to say this, but I think I understand Kamla a little more. Sure I dislike her ways of dealing with Kalpi, but I saw some things in her in previos episodes that made me re-think this character. Aside from her unfair treatment of kalpi and naivety in dealing with the Kapoors, there are some parts to her that pulled a few strings of sympathy for her. I still get hugely upset with her in the way she is all out for Paaki though. I really am!!!

℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 20:04

I cannot sing praises for these writers like you Paige 🙂 . ..
They’ve complicated a straightforward affair by bringing in a mad woman with a bountiful of stipulations . I can never accept that a man can place his true love second behind his desire for revenge . He should have married Kalpi on the day that he was meant to marry her . He gave his mother too much control over him from the beginning . .. because his heart held more hate than love . His desire was for vengeance , all that is happening now , is him reaping what he has sown .
Let us not forget that it was Kamla’s speech that awakened his senses . He wasn’t finding any sense on his own . He only realised what he did after Kamla made him aware of it .
So , in a way , this matter with him going to Kalpi now , is the work of Kamla because she started the ball rolling in this direction . Had Kamla not intervened , he would not have even considered divorcing Pakhi .

Paige S

May 31, 17:52 Reply

EMA in perspective:

I want us to focus on the story and not kill this story with moral arugments. If we do, we miss the story. And I do want to see it. I have been thinking (and I know some might disagree with me) having looked at Raghav and taken everything into consideration (his past, his sufferings, his tragedies, etc), I would say “NOW THAT’S A REAL MAN!” 🙂 He is in a tight situation, no side is flexing. He loves this girl so much and don’t want to lose her. But he can’t have his mother commit suicide either for an unaccomplished mission. So he TOOK A DECISION. We all want him to make a decision, right? Well he did. I commend him for it.

If you look at it from a revenge side, Gauri is right in her position to wanting revenge. She is not bad. She is right. Revenge is all about “I am going to hurt you in the same way you hurt me.” For that reason, we cannot expect Gauri to be soft. And I think Gauri is QUITE CORRECT in wanting revenge. She and Raghav know their hurt and pain. It is not something that we can put aside. A horrible crime and injustice was committed on them. So both Raghav and Gauri are right for wanting revenge. However, both Gauri and Raghav will find out that revenge comes with a PRICE. Are you willing to pay it? Gauri is also right in wanting her son to carry out that revenge (same as Bruce Wayne wanted to avenge his parents). And he won’t be wrong to go along with it. He was hurt too. Gauri’s expectation of her son is real, because sons are the honour of their parents. To not do it is to bring dishonour. Gauri, realises Raghav is distracted, took an even more drastic step to ensure Raghav does what he has to do FIRST.

UNEXPECTED: Raghav fell in love when he didn’t expect it. The love was very deep and powerful. He wants this girl. She is his soul mate.
CONFLICT: The conflict arises between a man torn between revenge and love. Both sides tell him: “It is either/or”. Not both. Two important women are at either side: he either pleases his mom and lose his love; or he chooses his love and lose his mother. This is not a position I or anyone would want to be in. The choices and situations are hard: His mom wants him to remain marry to the enemy’s daughter for 1 year until the revenge is complete. After which he would be free to marry his love. Conversely, his love wants to be with him now. One year is too long. He could lose her.

SO WHAT DOES HE DO? – Raghav is settled on his feelings for his love. He loves Kalpi and has no doubt in his heart about his feelings for her. How does he make her his? How can he be sure that he has her even while he carries out his revenge? Morality aside, from a story standpoint, Raghav has done well. He is pressed on every side and he took a decision: “I love Kalpi. She is mine. She is my life. I cannot lose her.” He explained everything to his mom. She didn’t understand. He explained everything to his love. He wants her to understand. She looks doubtful about his love and promise.

NOTICE THIS: Kalpi’s concern is not so much his revenge as it is about where she fits in all of this. “Will Raghav really marry me after 1 year like he says?” When the message was told to Kalpi that Raghav will divorce Paaki, and then Raghav said that he can’t divorce Paaki just yet, Kalpi was disturbed again. “Why not, Raghav?” she asks, “I thought you were divorcing Paaki as per the message, but you called me here to tell me that you can’t divorce her?” (She was EXPECTING good news of them being together. She WANTS to be with him. In her heart, this is her husband. This is the man she loves. And always will. She promised him.) Raghav knows his love for Kalpi is deep. He loves her more than his life. But he sees her doubtful as to whether he will keep his promise to marry her after 1 year. He needs to assure her. How can he do that? The god knows that these two are meant to be and are soul mate. Their souls would become one tonight before god. But nothing more than that, until the duly appointed time. Their love would be tested even more. ” Absence is to love what wind is to fire ; it extinguishes the small , it inflames the great . ” ( Roger de Bussy-Rabutin)
So how does he convince Kalpi he will marry her after his mission? He takes the holy sindoor and rubs it on her head. “Before god,” he says quietly to himself, “you are my wife, for only a wife can wear this sindoor. And I am your husband, for only a husband can apply this sacred sindoor on his wife’s head.” Kalpi knows the significance of this: this man is her husband. The sindoor makes her sacredly his wife. His and his alone. (She did see him advance towards her with the sindoor. She knows that he is about to do. And he stood there.)
“There,” Raghav thinks, “this is your confirmation before god that I will marry you proper after 1 year.”

Story wise: this is a terrific story and I like it. I want to see how it goes. Because I want to see Raghav and Kalpi married together, but revenge must take place. I support the story and the revenge.

Abisola
May 31, 18:22

Same,well analysed paige
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 19:30

Batman never got revenge , instead he found compassion and good sense .

Eventually he ended up losing Rachel Dawes .

℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ

May 31, 17:26 Reply

I can think of 2 very famous Indians who what married twice .
One is the popular old Bollywood star Dharmendra , the other is Mahendra Singh Dhoni , captain of the Indian cricket team , and also captain of the Chennai Super Kings .

Dharmendra or “Dilawar Khan?”
Film star Dharmendra, now a BJP MP, could not have thought in his wildest dreams that his second marriage to “Aaisha Bi R. Chakravarty” alias Hema Malini would come to haunt him one day. Dharmendra had converted to Islam to marry Hema Malini as Hindus are not allowed second marriage. Their marriage was solemnised on 21 August 1979 in Bombay in accordance with Islamic rites. He had married Hema while his first wife Prakash Kaur was still alive. Had he not contested the Lok Sabha elections from Bikaner, the matter probably would not have come to light.

While filing his nomination papers as a BJP candidate before the returning officer, Dharmendra had written his name as Deol Dharmendra Kewal Krishn concealing his Muslim name Dilawar Khan and wrote the name of his first wife in the respective column. When his political rivals brought the issue to the notice of election authorities and the general public, he denied his conversion to Islam and change of name. But Delhi magazine Outlook published a photocopy of his Nikahnama (marriage document) which clearly said that Dilawar Khan Kewal Krishn (44 years) accepted Aisha Bi R. Chakravarty (29 years) as his wife on 21 August 1979 at a mehr of, Rs 111,000 in the presence of two legal witnesses…’ The nikah was solemnised by Maulana Qazi Abu Talha Misbahi Faizabadi.

℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 17:30

Mahendra Singh Dhoni had converted to Islam to marry Sakshi Singh Rawat as Hindus are not allowed second marriage. Their marriage was solemnised on 04 July 2010 in Lucknow near Babri Masjid in accordance with Islamic rites. He had married Sakshi while his first wife Deepika P was still alive. Had he paid her enough, the matter probably would not have come to light.
While filing his divorce papers before the officer, Mahendra Singh Dhoni had written his name as Mahendra Singh Dhoni Kewal Krishn concealing his Muslim name Dilawar Khan and wrote the name of his first wife in the respective column. When his cricket rivals brought the issue to the notice of BCCI authorities and the general public, he denied his conversion to Islam and change of name. But Delhi magazine Outlook published a photocopy of his Nikahnama (marriage document) which clearly said that Dilawar Khan Singh Dhoni accepted Aisha Bi Singh Rawat as his wife on 04 July 2010 at a mehr of, Rs 11,11,000 in the presence of two legal witnesses…’
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 19:20

One thing I forgot to say about these 2 reports .
I believe the first one about Darmendra , but not the one about Dhoni .
Dhoni always has controversy surrounding him somehow , but , I hesitate to believe this about him . However , we get and idea about the law and second marriages .
Paige S
May 31, 19:41

Phoenix…OK.. putting aside EMA , why then do writers in India put things in their films that go against their laws, beliefs, etc? I heard of these contradictions in many films and serials. It sure eludes me.

And I wonder by the actor and crickets would do one thing and then deny it?
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 19:47

Simple Paige , because it sells .
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 19:51

Paige , in English movies I’ve seen many portrayals of people smoking marijuana , using drugs , laughing about it . They engage in unlawful acts but it’s a part of the movie . It diner mean that these things are legal .
Paige S
May 31, 23:08

I am sort of puzzled as to why the writers and producers think this sort of thing sell epsecially when I see all this outrage at what they are portraying! Aren’t they listening? Aren’t they seeing? Aren’t they reading?
I reckon the writers/producers are just stubborn!!!

AR

May 31, 15:07 Reply

Can anyone of you very knowledgeable fans explain the meaning of the red sindoor in the middle forhead. I know it is used in Hindu ceremonies but I nedd to know the story behind it or the significance. I never bother to find out until now.

Kris
May 31, 15:36

History and Significance of Sindoor
Sindooor or vermilion holds lot of importance in Indian society. The tradition of application of sindoor in the parting of hair by married Hindu women is considered extremely auspicious and is being carried on since centuries.

Symbolic of Married Hindu Woman
In traditional Hindu society, wearing sindoor is considered must for married Hindu women. It is a visible expression of their desire for their husbands’ longevity. Traditionally therefore, widows did not wear vermilion.

Sindoor is applied for the first time to a Hindu woman during the marriage ceremony when the bridegroom himself adorns her with it. The ceremony is called Sindoor-Dana and is very much in vogue even in present times. Religious scholars say that there has been no mention of this ceremony before the Grihasutras hence it is considered to be a relatively new practice.

The tradition of wearing Sindoor by married women has been explained with the help of mythology. Scholars say that red is the color of power while vermilion is a symbol of the female energy of Parvati and Sati. Hindu mythological legends regard Sati as the ideal wife who gave her life for her husband’s honor. Every Hindu wife is supposed to emulate her. Hindus believe that Goddess Parvati protects all those men whose wives apply vermilion to their parting of hair.

History of Sindoor
Tradition of wearing Sindoor or vermillion is said to have traveled through more than 5,000 years of Hindu culture. Female figurines excavated at Mehrgarh, Baluchistan, show that sindoor was applied to the partition of women’s hair even in early Harappan times. Besides, legends says that Radha, the consort of Lord Krishna, turned the kumkum into a flame like design on her forehead. In the famous epic Mahabharata, Draupadi, the wife of the Pandavas, is believed to have wiped her sindoor in disgust and despair. Use of Sindoor has also been mentioned in The Puranas, Lalitha Sahasranamam and Soundarya Lahharis.

Astrological Significance of Sindoor
According to Hindu astrology, Mesha Rashi or the House of Aries is on the forehead. The Lord of Mesha is Mars and his color is red. It is believed to be auspicious. This is why red sindoor is applied at the forehead and at the parting of the hair. Both are signs of saubhagya (good fortune). Sindoor is also considered to be the symbol of the female energy of Parvati and Sati.

Use of Sindoor During Festivals
Both Sindoor and kumkum have social and religious significance attached to them. In North India, it is customary for a husband to apply sindoor on his wife’s forehead during important festivals such as Navaratri and Sankranti. Besides, Sindoor and kumkum are also offered to Gods mostly in temples dedicated to Shakti, Lakshmi and Vishnu.

Physiological Significance of Sindoor
It is interesting to note that that the application of sindoor by married women carries physiological significance too. This is so because Sindoor is prepared by mixing turmeric-lime and the metal mercury. Due to its intrinsic properties, mercury, besides controlling blood pressure also activates sexual drive. This also explains why Sindoor is prohibited for the widows. For best results, Sindoor should be applied right upto the pituitary gland where all our feelings are centered.
Kris
May 31, 15:39

one correction here, this says that Radha is the consort of Krishna, that part is wrong i know for sure,
I just copied and pasted from a site.
Kris
May 31, 15:41

wow I din’t even know all that myself
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
May 31, 15:45

It’s symbolic like most things within Hinduism .
It’s worn only by married women at the top if the forehead in the middle .
I’ve seen recent trends where it’s being worn on a side part , but in my opinion this is wrong . The Hindus believe in the concept of the 3rd eye , which is located at the centre of the forehead . It’s supposed a very significant point with regards to the body’s chakra . The sindoor is place in line with the 3rd eye .
The sindoor signifies that the woman prays for the long life and safety of her husband . It’s a symbol of commitment and love .
Widows need to have their sindoor washed off , because their husbands no longer exist , and they can’t prayer for the long life of the dead .
Paige S
May 31, 19:43

Interesting

Teejay

May 31, 14:52 Reply

Sometimes i wish EMA was broadcasted all through the week. The suspense is killing me , cant wait for Monday.I hope am not going to be disappointed, the precap is a bit scary

Paige S
May 31, 16:51

I know the feeling Teejay. I want to see it all week too! 🙂
Teejay
May 31, 17:06

Goodnite/morning afternoon Paige S ,kris,m@hi phoenix,devya. By the way its nite in Malawi
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 17:22

Good night , sweet dreams Teejay .. .
It’s still Saturday afternoon by me . .
Paige S
May 31, 19:50

Hi Teejay…. I’m going to add your country to my series of international clocks so I can keep track of everyone’s time. 🙂

So at 7:48pm (Saturday) for me, it is now 1:47am (Sunday) for you Teejay. Am i right? This is so cool! 😀
Teejay
June 01, 03:56

Paige S thats absolutely right. Its now 9:54 am on Sunday . So i will say goodmorning

Paige S

May 31, 14:09 Reply

I have been upset with the writers since May 9, but I had hope they corrected it. Yesterday, I am not sure what to make out of it. I expected Raghav to divorce Paaki and then marry Kalpi. And WRITERS: I AM STANDING MY GROUND THAT I WANT TO SEE RAGHAV & KALPI TOGETHER. Sorry, but its your (the writers) fault for breaking this love story in the first place!
Anyway, I wish you would correct your script and allow things to happen as they would in a real society. I sincerely hope that on Monday I and others would get some explanation as to what transpired on Friday. We had hoped for a marriage between Raghav and Kalpi, only a divorce with Paaki. So I am flummoxed over the entire thing. I am looking forward to your explanation on Monday because even in fiction, what I see happening is plain crazy.

I am for TRUE LOVE and true love CONQUERING all odds and obstacles. But true love operates correctly too. I don’t blame Raghsv and Kalpi for wanting to be together. I don’t blame Raghav for going to divorce Paaki, either. I don’t blame divorcing Paaki in order to marry Kalpi either. I am for the latter!

But please, writers, have this mess corrected ASAP. I was expecting Raghav and Kalpi to come together on Friday instead of seeing the right thing happening, I am more bewildered.
DON’T PUT RAGHAV and KALPI THROUGH ANY MORE SUFFERING. Make the way clear for them. And do the right thing. I don’t view Raghav and Paaki as having a real marriage, but I would like to see it being annulled properly before he marries Kalpi.

Paige S
May 31, 14:11

oops ** That should read in the last paragraph “I was expecting to see the right thing happening but I am more bewildered.”
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
May 31, 14:25

Paige , I understand your love and your longing to see things go well for this couple .
But , please don’t hold any high expectations that these writers will listen to us .
I’ve been here too long and I’ve seen too much to place my faith in their hands to write the words that will satisfy the audience’s craving for true love and fair play .
I’ll advise you to find some good Yash Raj movies to look at if you want powerful love stories that make sense . 🙂
AR
May 31, 15:10

Paige, the very first indian movie I saw was Junglee with shammi Kapoor and Saira Banu. I recommend it. very nice.
Kris
May 31, 15:30

yea Paige, Suni is right
Paige S
May 31, 19:54

Thanks guys…but if these writers disappoint me I am heading to Mumbai to find them. I just love a good love-story and I just hate all these obstacles. Like I was telling someone earlier, when discussing EMA, that I like “Once upon a time there was a prince and a common girl….and they lived happily ever after”. I can’t stand all the obstacles in between ‘once upon a time” and “happily ever after”. She laughed and said “that’s how it has to go or else there will be no story.” But I can’t wait, I protested! I really want to see these two people married. I hate sad stories. I can’t bear them. I can’t bear to see two people loving each other so much and get separated. Man, I feel these things and though I know they are serials and films, they still upset me.

skd

May 31, 12:37 Reply

Base only on legal aspects the relationship betw Kalpi n Raghav wil nt b considered as a legal wedg in any lawful aspect.
However as per hindu beliefs this wil b considered as a wedg.
Civil wedg are peform 4 one 2 b lawfully married. Sme people believe an civil wedg only, n sme in religious wedg. N most in both. It’s a question of one’s belief.

℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
May 31, 14:31

Even by Hindu standards it shouldn’t be recognized , because Raghav didn’t divorce Pakhi .
Hindus do not recognize second marriages without divorce of the first wife .
Anything can happen in serial world however .
They adhere to their own set of rules .

skd

May 31, 12:00 Reply

sindoor is neither worn by unmarried girls or women n widows also. If ur husband pass away u have 2 wash that sindoor frm one’s head. Sindoor is nt the same as other colored red powder. Sindoor is only used on wedgs or prayers .so sindoor is nt only symbolic but is also priceless in terms of importance 4 a hindu wedg.

Kris
May 31, 12:20

And Raghav did not put sindoor in Paakhi’s mang
Paige S
May 31, 13:49

EXACTLY! From my understanding, the sindoor carries a very very signifcant and important meaning. I will find out more about this.
M@hi
May 31, 14:04

I was looking forward to see him putting sindoor on Kalpi the normal way but it didn’t happen. I preferred that 🙂
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
May 31, 14:33

Raghav should not have used it , because he’s a married man , and can’t fulfill the duties of a husband to Kalpi .

skd

May 31, 11:44 Reply

in hindu culture sindoor (the red powder) is as important as a wedg ring in other culture. It is a husband who puts it in the middle hair line of the bride’s sealg the wedg vows. Only married women have the right 2 wear it. When a woman wears it , it automatically denotes that she is married. At a time when legal marriage did nt exist, people wil wed in mandir n even if u didnt have a magalsutra, sindoor was the most important factor 2 seal a wedg. Sindoor is still of major importance in hindu culture.

Kris
May 31, 11:55

Thank yo for that clarification, that’s the point exactly
Paige S
May 31, 13:49

Very true
M@hi
May 31, 14:01

Thank you for explaining. I guess if it didn’t have that much significance then Kamla wouldn’t be so hysterical after seeing it on Kalpi.
AR
May 31, 15:16

I guess in days when there were no legalities, the red powder denotes a covenant made between two people. I some cultures where there were no lawyers a covenant was made by cutting the wrists of the two parties involved and putting the two blood together.
Using red powder is not as crude as blood..i guess.

M@hi

May 31, 10:30 Reply

Hey. I think all the opinions on marriage here would have been great at the time where there were lots of marriages in PR lol.

I think Raghav should make his mind up and divorce Pakhi. He knows he has nothing to offer her so why not. Pakhi of course prefers to stay in a loveless marriage.

Kris
May 31, 10:49

Mahi, that is exactly what needs to be done,
and all argument will cease he will be free to marry whom he wants. but then again the mother playing the emotional blackmail card, and Raghav is following his mother’s footsteps an blackmailing Kalpi by using the same method his mother used
So not impressed with the writers here 🙁
M@hi
May 31, 11:28

I’m hoping that we get valid answers next week Kris. EMA always does this to us lol.
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
May 31, 14:35

Lol Mahi , so true about PR 😀 . .
AR
May 31, 15:18

Mahi , I see you are a PR fan. I used to be a fan in Arjun/purvi days and having been commenting off and on here and desi tashan.

Paige S

May 31, 10:22 Reply

My point is: it is wrong for us, well for me to be honest, to debate on an issue without understanding the culture of the people. When discussing such things as marriage, it is VERY IMPORTANT to understand CULTURE, TRADITION, BELIEFS, etc before saying something. By the way I respect the Indian culture. It is wrong to apply 21st century thinking to a situation that happened in the 1600s. And it is wrong to use Western standards when the Eastern culture has its own way of doing things that they consider right in their eyes. We need to ensure that in discussing this marriage thing, we keep the culture in the forefront.

℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
May 31, 10:38

Paige , I posted this below :

According to Akhtar Baig and Congress leader from Rajasthan, Nawal Kishore Sharma, under Hindu Marriage Act, a Hindu cannot take a second wife if the first wife is still alive. However, he can marry for a second time if he has divorced his first wife or embraced Islam. «

That is the law as it relates to Hindu marriages in India .
I’m a Hundu , half of my ancestry came from India and although I’m not fully indoctrinated into that culture , I’ve grown up with many ideals that were taught to me as a child that were passed on through the generations . I can’t reply to your other posts just yet , but I’ll do so a bit later ok 🙂 . ..
M@hi
May 31, 11:25

I don’t know too much about the laws there but the scriptures permitted a man to marry more than once according to what I know. It all about man made laws versus laws of the scriptures.
Paige S
May 31, 13:51

No problem Phoenix. I understand. Thanks for the info. It’s good to know these things. 🙂

Paige S

May 31, 10:18 Reply

Good morning all….

Hi Phoenix, I want you to know that I understand everything that you are saying. I mean everything. Please don’t think I don’t. I really do. My writngs for all of yesterday centred on Raghav and Kalpi’s love and its depth. I am for a second chance for Raghav. I am for Raghav and kalpi being together. That is where true love is. I don’t know much about Indian wedding ceremonies and what the Indian culture views as more significant than the other. WHat may be acceptable in my culture to mean one thing, may be different in a different culture. However, I do believe that there are some similarities with Eastern and Western cultures, i.e. Indian vs. Non-Indian. I do believe that a marriage, a true marriage that is, is more than a mere legal document. It comprises several things. A legal paper does not mean that Raghav and Paaki has a true marriage, no more than it means that applying red powder makes a true marriage between Kalpi.( My western thinking here). The former pair is revenge and loveless. the latter pair is pure love.

I know how to deal with such a dilemna in my culture. But with respect to Indian culture, what I would like to know is what do THEY constitute as a real marriage. Do they give more worth to sindoor or paper? Or both? That is why, I am eagerly looking forward to Monday’s episode which will give me, somewhat, an answer. Based on what they tell me, I will be in a better position to decide and comment. If they say the red powder (sindoor) is more powerful an indicator of a real marriage, then I accept that because that is that culture’s establishment for marriage, as opposed to what the Western culture says is a real marriage. If they say “no it is the legal paper” then I will know what to comment. If the say “it is both” then I will know what to comment. ( I will try to find a pandit and have him explain this Indian marriage to me)

I am not in favour of Raghav marrying Paaki and Kalpi at the same time. That is plain disgusting. I believe one marriage has to end properly because another marriage can take place. And yes, I want Raghav to properly annul his marriage with Paaki before marrying Kalpi. I won’t want Kalpi to be treated with any less honour or dignity. I want Raghav to marry Kalpi for reasons I already established.

So I will wait for my answer in Monday’s episode to see what really the writer is saying, before casting another comment on this. But if he puts Raghav to have 2 wives I shall be very upset. that is why I keep asking for a contact directly to these writers but am getting nothing. I want the writers or EMA directly. (It is not the actors fault for the pervertedness of the writers!) But Phoenix, I was very curious about your explanation of the red powder. You said it wasn’t a marriage but really Raghav making it symblolic of his intention to marry her at a date in the future and that they will wait on and trust each other until they can be unified. I think your explanation is better in light of the circumstances.
Again, I don’t fully understand the Eastern culture but I want to see it what happens on Monday.

Kris
May 31, 10:36

Paige, I being of east Indian decent and consider myself quite into the hindu religion, will tell you that as far as I know the hindu marriage gives more importance to the ceremonial aspects itself, the seven rounds around the fire the placing of the wedding chain and most important of all the Sindoor, some marriages take place with merely the placing of the sindoor and it is considered more than the the signing of a legal paper, since the signing of the paper was introduced by the English system. Before that the Hindu system did not have any legal paper, but by the witnessing of the ceremony by the villagers and elders, parents etc.
Some marriages even took place without all these witness, but as only God as a witness and has been held up even more than a court paper being signed.
There are lots and lots and lots of examples.
For example, in my country a long time ago the Indian settlers or immigrants got married the traditional indian ceremony way, it was recognised by all the couples lived together and beget children and it was accepted as a recognised marriage. My parents got married like that.
But the law of the land did not recognised that as legal, so when the children were born the father’s name could not be place on the birth certificate, and was considered illegitimate. So these people now had to to to a registered priest or to the registry to get their marriage registered.
Now the law has changed with regard the father’s name on the birth certificate if the couple is not married, he can sign as being the father and the child is not considered illegitimate.
In hindu marriage, as I said before, held in the triditional way holds up more than what Raghav did with Paakhi.
But on the other hand, what he did with Kalpi is not accepted, I know his marriage with Paakhi is not acceptable to him etc, but he is deceiving himself into thinking otherwise.
This particular situation is rare and unprecedented.
I know of an Indian national who came to my country many moons ago, got married to a local woman, but went back to India after a few days, they did not divorce. She got married again in Hindu rights and lived as someone else’s wife, him on the other hand returned to India where he married a woman under the same Hindu rights, had children etc and was accepted by Indian law to be his wedded wife.
After about 30 some years he came back here and did his divorce, then he did the legal paper thing in India.
So It all depends on the situation one is in
It is not just black and white, yes or no answer.
M@hi
May 31, 10:40

@Kris: I don’t know much about Hindu marriages but from what I gather the rituals have more significance than a legal marriage. As I said yesterday a court marriage without rituals then intimacy is like fornification.
M@hi
May 31, 10:42

Next week’s episode will answer lots of our questions and we’d be able to understand what was the significance of Raghav’s act of rubbing sindoor.
Paige S
May 31, 13:54

That’s good information there Kris. Learnt a lot and yes Mahi, next week we will get some answers. Lots of answers!
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
May 31, 14:42

Paige , that sindoor is every bit as symbolic as I have explained .
However , it’s being used in the wrong way here .
Raghav didn’t come to Kalpi as a free man . He is committed to another woman.
If he had approached Kalpi , after divorcing Pakhi , and asked her to wait and had applied that sindoor , then the full meaning of what I described would have been applicable .
Honestly , after watching last nights episode , and seeing Kalpi’s hurt when she remembered Pakhi in the wedding wear , I was furious for the creatives having used the sindoor in that way . Kalpi has recognized , and has remembered , that he is married . Her principles are weighing on her mind .
Her brain is trying to protect her .
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
May 31, 15:35

Kris , when the Indians came here there were only laws which catered to the Christians .
It took a while to change those laws to suit the changed society ,
Although India was once owned by the British , and a lot of their culture was subdued , that culture never died , because India was an established sovereignty long b4 the British took control .

Kris

May 31, 10:18 Reply

I so agree that Kalpi had to meet Raghav and get all her bottled up emotions out, but she don’t have to go along with what he says.
Kamla is damn outta place to ask Kalpi not to meet Raghav. If she has so much trust that her daughter will do what is right she should trust that her daughter to do the right thing after meeting with Raghav. Kalpi is not an emotional fool to run into Raghav arms and forget her hurt, disappointment and betrayal by Raghav. Why oh why don’t mothers allow their children to face circumstances and clear their confusions.
By meeting with Raghav and hearing what he has to say will clear all the confusions in her mind and she would be able to make her decision all on her own. But by Kamla restricting her, she will always have the question hanging over her for the rest of her life “What if”? What if? What if?” that question would be there over and over and would never ever leave her alone.
I know this from personal experience.
I am so glad that Kalpi met with Raghav and heard him out.
She now will be able to make her decision, but damn Kamla had to spoil things and get her even more confused in her decision making,

Kris
May 31, 10:22

Oh yea, of course Kamla is hell bent on not letting Kalpi meet Raghav, not because she don’t want Kalpi to be deceived again by Raghav, (but that is what poor Kalpi gonna think now) but because she is afraid that Kalpi will understand Raghav dilemma and support him and her precious Paakhi will not get Raghav as her husband.
But Kalpi being so innocent and obedient to her mother and trusting her mother completely will now think that her mother is right, Raghav did deceive her once again, and her mother was right to tell her not to meet him.
Paige S
May 31, 10:23

I agree with you fully Kris.

℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ

May 31, 08:50 Reply

The CV’s are playing us all for fools here . .. just stringing us along with hopes of an eventual Kalpi / Raghav reunion . It’s not about a mans love really , it’s more about the PH manipulation of it’s targeted audience .
The majority of the demographic who view these shows , do not come here , or on other forums , to discuss the way that we do . They are attracted or turned off by what they see . We’ve been given a bone to hold , nothing of substance . … just a man dashing sindoor unceremoniously onto a girls head and claiming her to be his wife . We are the ones who factor meaning into this scene . But , when I think about it , this is the second time that Kalpi has been cheated . This is the scecond time that we’ve been cheated . This is the second time that the sanctitity of the institution of marriage has been mocked .

Raghav married 2 women , one without love the other without law . Many argued that a marriage is nothing if 2 hearts do not connect , now we have the flip side , is a marriage a marriage , without it being legal ? What is this show demonstrating to the younger ones who sneak a look when parents aren’t careful enough ? I’ve known youngsters on this forum , as young as 13 . Can these young minds comprehend the way we do ?
What has Kalpi become ? Is she now Mrs Raghav Singhania ? Or has she become a concubine a mistress ? Is this the acceptable status for such a character as her ? A girl who has worked hard to get ahead , she has struggled with being treated as second class and unworthy all her life . Should she now willingly accept that stigma of mistress , should she now accept being second ? Should Raghav have placed her in such a position ? I agree that he has know sadness and loneliness , then that is exactly why he shouldn’t wish that on the person he loves . How will Raghav be what he has promised to her ? He can’t stand by her side for a year while she faces taunts and rebuke . If in that year her parents arranged a marriage for her , what can she do ? He wants her to wait on him , why ? So he can fulfil his mission and return to her exactly where he left her . Stay doggy , stay where I’ve told you to stay . Love isn’t selfish or self seeking . It puts another’s happiness first . I’m thinking about Kalpi’s mental torture for one year . Who amongst us expects her to happily devote her days to Raghav’s worship while he remains married to another woman ?
When we love someone it’s perfectly natural to have expectations of them . However , we must be in a position for they to have those same expectations of us . There isn’t a free flow of energy here .

M@hi
May 31, 09:34

Hey Phoenix. A marriage is a marriage with out being legal. Many people in our society do no get married legal however it is good to be legally married as well because there tends to be too much problems in the end. For example migration purposes.. being fair in a divorce etc.
M@hi
May 31, 09:36

I feel Pakhi and Raghav will eventually be paired..I still don’t trust what I saw yesterday.
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 09:41

Hi Mahi 🙂

According to Akhtar Baig and Congress leader from Rajasthan, Nawal Kishore Sharma, under Hindu Marriage Act, a Hindu cannot take a second wife if the first wife is still alive. However, he can marry for a second time if he has divorced his first wife or embraced Islam. «
angel
May 31, 09:45

I totally agree with you phoenix….this is indeed something to be questioned…..sad thing is that most persons don’t see what you are trying to say

i dont believe that a marriage is a marriage… by law and by rituals pakhi is raghav’s wife….kalpi cannot be called his wife since he has neither divorce pakhi neither is his marital ritual with pakhi nullified…..this series is indeed mocking the sacred bond called a marriage

this act has just reduced both raaghav and kalpi’s status as characters….we all have been cheated
Kris
May 31, 10:10

Oh Suni all these serial writers and producers take us for the fools we really are, know why, we know what to expect from these stupid serials yet we stick to it and watch the joke, the bacchanal we like the comess and confusion and to see drama etc. We suck it up like the dessert in a rain storm sucks up the water and crave for more.

These people writing and produing these shows no little or nothing about the legal or religious aspects of life.
They just want to sell their product by hook or crook.
So we looking for and expecting logic from them is like asking corbeaux not to eat the dead stinking animals because we don’t like it. (well, for want of a better explanation 😀 this one seems fitting.

They dish out crap and we complain. Can’t we see that they will do whatever they want as long as they get the audience. And by u commenting on their crap soo much all they are looking at is the amount of comments and views, per episode and they head swell like an inflated hot air balloon and thinks, “Ahhhhhh boy we show popular, look at the responses, but they won’t take the time off to read what the comments are saying to them.
And we the viewers will keep on waiting and hoping for the day the leads will finally unite, and then it would feel like we’ve had this beautifully blown up balloon savoring the moment we’ve been waiting for it to finish being blown up, only to find that it pops or deflate poof and the magic gone.
Well that’s how I feel about these damn show now.
pani
May 31, 12:22

Nailed it Phoenix! Kris you are right creatives on these shows will do whatever they want, but for the sake of even one young viewer who comes here to read comments lets say something is wrong when its wrong. The effects of the media are far deeper than we think. We may see this and understand it as entertainment but not everyone is that astute.
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
May 31, 14:48

Kris 😆 you made me laugh so much with this comment Lmao . .. especially the corbeaux part 😀 . .. This is exactly how these creatives treat their loyal fans .
℘ɧơɛŋıҳ
May 31, 14:50

Thank you Angel , Pani 🙂 . . for understanding my point .

M@hi

May 31, 08:42 Reply

@Devya: You’re right. Kalpi is very important right now. But the only person that wants her for a pure reason is Raghav 🙂

M@hi

May 31, 08:39 Reply

@Phoenix: he did let her go for a teeny weeny time lol. The result. She still had trust in him because she was saying at the temple why did Raghav break her trust once again. When they saw each other they just kept staring at each other then one bigggg hug. Kalpi’s face looked so peaceful and Raghav just held her so tightly.

M@hi

May 31, 08:03 Reply

Hello Everyone. The newer version of Kamla will in my opinion not really be Kalpi’s mom with all its meaning but still Pkahi’s mom because boy is she going to be so annoyed her baby Pakhi’s husband rubbed sindoor on Kalpi lol.

M@hi
May 31, 08:39

I should have written “Husband”.

skd

May 31, 04:30 Reply

Guys if you remember

On Kalpi’s engagente: Kamla’s illogical reaction:
Kamla stops Kalpi and says what you did. How can Raghav make you wear the ring ? kalpi says why are you saying this ? the one I love will make me wear the ring. Kamla slaps her so hard. Everyone is shocked, Kalpi at the most. Kamla says how can you love Raghav Pakhi loves Raghav. The ring falls off Kalpi’s finger.

Now she will blame Kalpi for not being a good girl. How can you marry Raghav Kalpi, Raghav belongs to Pakhi…
and slap her again

But this time Raghav should not remain silent. He should stand for Kalpi and give Kamla a few truths…the way she has always been forgoing Kalpi’s happiness for Pakhi’s. Has she not been interfering like hell, today Rags would have been only married to Kalpi….and Kalpi should stand by raghav too. it’s time for Kamla to be a real mother and realise that her daughter hapinness is with Rag’s

M@hi
May 31, 08:25

Yes we remember. Her actions were totally pointless or rather point to one thing. Pakhi must get what she wants and Kamla will make sure it happens.

Raghav should tell Kamla in a respectable manner that she should learn to trust and value her daughter. Even Kalpi has been longing for her mother’s love.
Paige S
May 31, 09:16

True. It bothers me that a mother could do this to her own daughter

NIRVANA

May 31, 03:30 Reply

I’m reminded that what we put into something is what we get out. You plant carrots you’ll get carrots not lettuces. This is so true for people to.
Kalpi never got much attention from Kamla but she got more that enough from her father and brother. They applauded her successes, cried with her when she was sad etc. This more than made up for some of the things she lacked.
What did Raghav have, who showered him with love, gave him a hug or calmed him down and sat with him after he had a nightmare??? No one!! People just took from him or cared for him because they had too. No one was there to say well done my son, I’m proud of you, etc.
Now that he has two very special people in his life who in some ways value and appreciate him, do you think this loved starved child will let go.

Kris
May 31, 07:26

Exactly, he wants to please both but is torn by his promise to his mother and the commitment and promise to Kalpi the ones he loves the most and whom he knows love him back and genuinely cares for him.
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 31, 08:06

Your line that :

” you plant carrots , you’ll get carrots not lettuces ”
If you ponder that a minute , please consider what Raghav is doing .

He is planting the seeds of revenge , but expects to reap love after one year .
M@hi
May 31, 08:21

Awwh..you’re right. Raghav has been craving for affection since so long. I can’t believe Gauri cannot understand that either! Raghav’s world was fill with light after he fell in love with Kalpi but now Gauri and Kamla are darkening his world again.
Paige S
May 31, 09:22

Kamla cannot blame Kalpi for bad upbringing. I find nothing wrong with the way she has turned out. Kamla’s problem is Kalpi hasn’t done what Kamla wants. For for Kamla, successful upbringing is how well you please her. Don’t please her and that means you were badly brought up. I find nothing wrong with Kalpi making her own decision. And making her own decision doesn’t mean that she was badly brought up, Kamla maa. It means, she is done something perhaps for the first time that is about her and not about you (Kamla) or Paaki. And it is about time she does so.

Paige S

May 30, 23:27 Reply

Good night Devya… 🙂

devya
May 31, 00:08

Good night Paige,sweet dreams n do have a wonderful wknd.

Kris

May 30, 22:26 Reply

Suni if I truly love someone, and oh yea, I do lol, 😀 I want to be myself, I am not an evil person, so don’t have to make an effort to be noble etc etc, 😉 but I ain’t no saint too, so you have to accept me for who I am and not who I portray myself to be.

Point is Raghav is what he is due to circumstances, he made mistakes, no one is perfect, everyone deserves a second chance, the boy want to correct his mistakes so badly and not getting a damn break from no side.
I understand Kalpi she is the only one entitled to give him hell for what he did to her and her family, not Kamla.

Any way dear, I’m off to bed, enjoy your weekend dear, will be here off and on in the week end.

℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 30, 22:28

Thank you and the same to you !! 🙂
Paige S
May 30, 22:53

Agree Kris. Love accepts us for what we are, the good in us, the bad in us and even the ugly in us (lol). And our imperfections and mistakes and all. And Phoenix it is you who said this (and I do cherish it):

“True love cannot be tamed the way Kalpi was trying to tame it , she remained calm and impassioned to a large extent …
She listened to her mother’s nonsense about never speaking to Raghav again . . . Raghav wasn’t putting Kalpi first until now , thank goodness he’s finally decided to try to set things right by leaving Pakhi . . .. why did he wait so long ??
These two are their own worst enemies in a way , because they lack confidence in what they have . They were too easily shaken , and the bond of love is supposed to be a very strong cohesion . ..
I’m hoping that Raghav has learnt his lessons well . . that his absence from Kalpi and his contemplation of a future without her , will prevent any further mistakes from his side . I also hope that Kalpi finds her voice . I understand that years of subjugation led to her inability to express herself assertively , but love should embolden her heart and her tongue . . Love has a myopic view of the world that excludes anyone from standing in its way . ..
While Raghav and Kalpi have expressed their love for each other , it’s now time to prove it to the world . ..
fervently I hope the rumours of the marriage come to reality and that Raghav gains a quietness of soul from Kalpi and that Kalpi gains some of Raghav’s dynamism . .
For me that’s what love is about , one person making the other better , not by changing the other person in any way , but by quietly accepting , by standing with each other , and allowing for there to be that exchange of energy that empowers the other person to face any difficulty by being each other’s strength . ..”

THat was beautiful Phoenix and you said it so well that I kept it. I always remember it. And having remembered it (in addition to what Kris says above)…I shared from my heart on Raghav and his dilemna and ask on his behalf for the understanding, time and chance he so badly wants.

(On a personal note, if you or anyone on this site or any friend or relative ever has to bear consequences for any mistakes, I would be happy to help lessen that burden and bear some of those burdens or consequences for you. That is just how I feel for another human being. By bearing the burdens it means I share it. I feel the same pain, the same stress, the same everything for you. I want to do that even more when I see how remorseful a person is for ever committing that mistake). Love all you guys…:)
Paige S
May 30, 22:54

🙂
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 30, 22:55

Yes Paige 🙂 , but he’s making the same mistake twice .
He isn’t fighting with God on his side .
He’s choosing the wrong path . ..
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 30, 23:00

If Raghav had gone to Kalpi and said what he had planned to say about divorcing Pakhi , then he would have had my blessings .
Kalpi defied her mother to go see him . That meant changing herself for him . She came out of her shell , she put her fears and tears aside and went to him . To hear what ???
One year of revenge is being put b4 her !! That is rubbish !! The poor girl . .. She hasn’t yet told her sorrows , her deep sadness to anyone and she has to face another blow . ..
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 30, 23:02

Thank you Paige 🙂 and I reciprocate the offer . ..
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 30, 23:09

Paige , after all is said and done , it is all up to Kalpi to decide .
At one point he had her firmly in his grasp , he let her go , now she has to face a dilemma where the choice used to certain before . If she accepts his proposal , that’s perfectly fine with me . ..
Paige S
May 30, 23:26

🙂
😉
M@hi
May 31, 08:18

Oh Kris! Point well taken. As humans we make mistakes and struggle. After these struggles we become better and that is Raghav right now.

Kamla should stop meddling in their love life but oh wait she can’t because her most precious one Pakhi is involved. Kalpi should be making her own decision in this regard because she is old enough to. No need for manipulating Kamla to help her in this because her aim is to only give Pakhi her love and Kalpi her dreams.

Paige S

May 30, 22:16 Reply

Hi Phoenix, Kris and others…heading off to do some stuff. I will be online over the weekend. Have a wonderful weekend. hope to catch some of you online, if possible. Have fun! Good night all.

Kris
May 30, 22:20

Goodnight dear, I’m heading off to bed now also,
Same to you dear, catch up sometime in the weekend.
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 30, 22:27

Byeee !! Good night !!
Happy weekend !! 🙂
devya
May 30, 22:39

Good night/morning Paige,Kris,mahi,Teejay MU n the crest do have a wonderful wknd.

Paige S

May 30, 21:14 Reply

Hi Phoenix, I read your comment below where you ask “why is Raghsv afraid to set her free?” “if he wants to use her in her revenge?” Before I saw that comment I wrote a few minutes ago that I had just finished reading an episode in Janaury where Raghav lamented that he is an unlucky man because he loses every one that is good: his mother, his father, everything. He didn’t want good people around him because he keeps losing them. Kalpi is very important to him. He wants to build his life with her. And yes, he has a fear of losing her. He based on his life where he loses eveeything that means everything to him. You know he loves her and would never use her in his revenge. He just wants his love and happiness. Do you remember that scene in the bedroom at his house party? She wore the red sari? He asked her not to leave just yet. He loved her presence with him. He felt good. He felt he had everything when she is there. When you know the worth of something Phoenix, you do everything you can to keep it. You fear losing it. You try very hard to keep it.

℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 30, 21:23

If I love someone truly , I will try my best to be worthy in their eyes .
Paige S
May 30, 21:38

He already did my dear. He already proved that worth. And what he is doing, with even more passion, even after his mistake heightens that worthiness even more. Sometimes, we have to be fall to become more worthy. Sometimes, after our fall, we become who we are really supposed to be. Every mistake/sin/trial/affliction comes with a purpose. We are either refined and made better by it, or we fail or become worst human beings. In light of Raghav’s mistake and the effort he has made to correct, it brought out of him a much better human being than he was before. His mistake humbled the great Raghav and his love for Kalpi has been proven, tried and tested—and passed! The restored man is much better than the former man. Where sin abound, grace did much more abound. That means even when we think our sins and mistakes are the gravest and greatest, there is much, much more grace (defined as unmerited favour) to be found. And forgivness and restoration means our past mistakes are pardoned. We are called to be image-bearers of God and therefore, such type of forgivness is of God.
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 30, 21:54

My interpretation of man being made in God’s image varies a bit . You see if I were to look at humans and their immoral actions , if it is that man is an image go God , then it’s reasonable to assume that God also has amoral tendencies .
The way I see it however , is that within each of us , we have that ability to be like God if we so choose to be . God is perfect , we can be also , but with challenges .
Like you rightfully said , Raghav has learnt from his mistakes .. .. I agree . Now he knows the repercussions of his actions on the goodly people around him . However , this realisation cannot turn the tides , it cannot cease the momentum that has already been created . The negative energy that he let escape , is still around . He gave impetus for some other force , aside from God , to be in control for a while .
Now that he realises his mistake , he is repeating it . He hasn’t deviated from his path . He wants to factor Kalpi in as well now . All I’m saying is that he has made up his mind to be on his mission to fulfil his mother’s wish , fine 😐 . . . Let him do it alone . ..
devya
May 30, 22:37

So true Paige,that can be applicable to us too ,once we r happy n comfortable it means it that particular thing or person is of some interest thus drawing our faithful attention so we will never want to loose it.Raghav was craving for THAT happiness,he found IT in kalpi,he would not want to loose HER….

I THINK when Raghav applied THat sindoor he felt secure that she is his possession now n I think kalpi is also happy raghav proved his love cause she didn’t make any attempt to move she stand there showing no sign of resistance n let Raghav applied it. So they both love each other.

Just an example with me it become habitual that I read you guys commentaries everyday cause they r interesting n draw my attention n I find happiness in doing so.when I miss one day I feel something important is missing.
Paige S
May 30, 22:43

lol…all of you are sweet and, yes, I do enjoy sharing and reading from all you too. Wonderful insights. Will reply better tomorrow on the subject herein. Sleep well. Pleasant dreams to those with the night and have fun to those with the day….:)

Darn…no cricket match this weekend. I miss Baburam on this one. lol…see you later.
devya
May 30, 23:02

Ok PAIGE,GOOD night my dear do have a good night rest n a wonderful wknd.
Baburam n manda were competing for the car .they should have pair them to act lol…
I love watching cricket too especially the ODI.

Paige S

May 30, 20:59 Reply

phoenix, kris, nirvana…I continue to read up on the previous episode I had missed. In one episode in January Raghav had refused to meet Kamla, who came to his office. Sammy asked Raghav why didn’t he meet Kamla who seems like a nice lady? Here is Raghav’s reply:

“Raghav says, “She is. That’s why I didn’t want to meet her. People that are close to me go away from me. My mom left with another man, my dad died. Kapoor’s took me to their house for benefit.” Sammy says that time Kamla bai helped you. Raghav says, “I don’t want good people to be around me. I lose them. I am the most unlucky man.”

Phoenix, did you hear what he said? He knows that he always lose good people, that he is an unlucky man. Won’t anyone feel his pain and hurt? That is why he is fighting so hard for Kalpi. He loves her. She is his life and he doesn’t want to lose her just like he has lost everything in life. I feel it for him, which is why I totally support him and what him to have Kalpi forever. Reading these things breaks my heart for him.

Paige S
May 30, 21:02

So what Raghav is doing is fighting hard in some very difficult circumstances to keep the one thing he wants so much and that will fill in the years of emptiness of his heart: Kalpi. See, it’s not about controlling her. He wants to ensure he does not lose her as he lost everything in his life. Ohh..Kris…I feel it for Raghav.
℘ℏöḙn̛i̵ҳ
May 30, 21:17

Paige , I know exactly how it feels to have everyone go away from me .
But , under no circumstance will I force anyone to understand my position when I myself cannot say that I am right .
If Kalpi supports him , I praise her for that . But , I think his demands are very high .
He needes to allow Kalpi a chance to think . I’m not sure how that sindoor act will be interpreted , but from Kamla’s reaction , it seems like a big deal . Kalpi did not give her consent for his actions . The girl just looked shocked , lost and confused .
Paige S
May 30, 21:53

lol…I know…now I am anxious about Monday to see what the writers put as the significance of what happened tonight. I want to know what is going on in their minds. Guess we will know until Monday. 🙂
M@hi
May 31, 08:13

Yes Paige you’re right. He has always lost the ones he loved and others just betrayed him so now he knows he has met this wonderful girl that means the world to him and so like everyone else that he lost he doesn’t want to loose her. Poor guy is trying his best here joggling blackmail and love.

Ek Mutthi Aasman 30th May 2014 Written Update

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